In fact, the entire reason why she wants to forgive him for what he did is because she cares about him. She values Joel very deeply, and the fact that she later considered sacrificing herself for something she believed in doesn't negate the fact that she cares about Joel. She's not just suicidal because life sucks. Because first of all, the thing is that happened, you know, earlier? And characters have these things called character arcs? They don't remain static as people over the course of the story because that would render the story pointless? Second, like I said, human beings are complicated. ![]() ![]() It's so weird to me that you think those two things are some sort of contradiction and that only one or the other can be true at a time. >why is one of the big dramatic moments of the first game when Ellie storms off because she'll be separated from Joel and carrying on with Tommy? Wouldn't she not care If it made the loses she'd experienced along the way mean something. She wasn't committed on dying no matter what, she was committed on dying if it helped the people around her. >If Ellie was so 100% committed on dying no matter what, Human beings aren't morally monochrome caricatures who think and feel one thing at a time and whose feelings are never in any sort of conflict. A person can do the wrong thing for the right reasons or the right thing for the wrong reasons. Yes, he did what he did because he loved Ellie. You seem to think that the only way I can defend the Fireflies is by condemning Joel as a complete piece of shit with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. >That's not even bringing up the narrative element on how the ending is specifically constructed to mirror the prologueĪgain, you are incapable of grasping nuance. You mean the stuff that I universally refuted with little effort? >you'd see all of the above on why the fireflies were absolutely bumblefucking it every step of the way. There's nothing for me in this game, and pathetic attempts at emotional manipulation, like making NPCa scream hoe much they liked after I killed him won't change that She's a rude asshole dyke that had her more interesting aspect (relationship with Joel) removed. Retconing elements of the first game and recontextualizing that retarded scene where he kills the doctor when he could've just shot him the knee won't change that. She's an ugly rude asshole that killed Joel, a character I liked. It's a story based game that's narratively incompetent. Then the sequel came and you weren't allowed to dislike it, as that one reviewer from Forbes found out. Then the worst class of subhumans, videogame journalists, started declaring the apex point in gaming and the work that made games art, and it cascades into an undeserved hype. It was just a nice game about people you cared about with an ambiguous ending that touched on the thematic of greater good. It's not a super original story, it didn't have revolutionary gameplay. Last of Us was a good game, but that's it. I was kind of wondering how you manage those basic every day tasks yourself.įireflies were basically theater kids over their heads playing at revolutionaries but being actual cruel pieces of shit and flirting with how much power they'd get if they had a cure. At the end of the game that last little thing of what is truly him (the last of us) was Ellie. Selfish contrabandist ex-raider Joel at the start of the game would gladly sacrifice Ellie for greater humanity, on pure zero feeling calculation. The name of the game is The Last of Us, what does that us mean - ist it just a generic 'humanity' we'll save that lacks all humanity or even the most basic love bond. ![]() There's certainly a grey morality in it, but there's way more dark greys in in the Fireflys' LARP. not to mention in the sequel, he makes it clear what his intention was - he makes it really clear that he did it because he wanted to protect Ellie and didnt care if the vaccine would have worked. the ending doesnt really make sense if you think Joel's decision wasn't morally gray. Hiding it from her and telling her she's not special, etc. the whole emotional punch it gives is because Joel's decision was selfish and destructive. You're fundamentally misunderstanding the ending of the first game. Ellie was surely to agree with the surgery because she wanted to die and yet the fireflys didn't even want to give her a choice It's ok to lie to her until in a few months or years she won't be a suicidal teenage girl that wants to die (using a good cause as a pretext) >He lied to Ellie about what really happened too, which is obviously bad.Įllie is a 14 year old guy who lost everyone and was almost raped.
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